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. >> they got shelly in nevada. >> that's unfortunate. >> they did not get what they thought they were be buying of. >> the biggest loser is carl rove -- karl rove. he would let them keep even more, a fairly bottom line decision. a lot of money was spent. ben bernanke was the second stimulus. the supreme court acted as the second stimulus, second only to the fed, because opening the door to that kind of private spending, the supreme court certainly did a lot for the economy. i look at their bottom line, it will be a disappointment. >> indiana and missouri are too easy, so i will go to minnesota. he ran the races with the chinese american actress on super bowl night. cake walk for stabenow. >> i would say joe biden. i think he's going to have a tough four years. i'll just leave it at that. on our side, i'd say that -- not continuing to learn. there was a lot of false security we had in our turn out operation. we stalled. i'd say that is a big loser. >> this has been a stimulating panel. we have a second panel that will start immediately. for those of you are c-span, www.laszlostrategies
. >> they got shelly in nevada. >> that's unfortunate. >> they did not get what they thought they were be buying of. >> the biggest loser is carl rove -- karl rove. he would let them keep even more, a fairly bottom line decision. a lot of money was spent. ben bernanke was the second stimulus. the supreme court acted as the second stimulus, second only to the fed, because opening the door to that kind of private spending, the supreme court certainly did a lot for the...
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florida, virginia, wisconsin, colorado, iowa, new hampshire and nevada. joining me here in ohio is john avlon. he has been traveling the state aboard the cnn election express bus. i'm also joined by john king in washington, d.c. the electoral college map, how does it add up right now? >> when you talk to the two campaigns, it's as if even though it's one country, they live in parallel universes. both saying they will win tomorrow. the president is ahead in most of the key battleground states. they are down confidence in the obama campaign and don't get too much dispute out of the romney campaign that they will win the state of nevada. then they come to the midwest where you are. they are most confident in the midwest they will carry again. i know republicans watching are saying they'll prove you wrong. they're confident about the state of iowa. that would get the president to 259. takes 270 win. when you ask them about these battleground states, they say they're most confidence about ohio, where you are. the president took that game over. no republicans w
florida, virginia, wisconsin, colorado, iowa, new hampshire and nevada. joining me here in ohio is john avlon. he has been traveling the state aboard the cnn election express bus. i'm also joined by john king in washington, d.c. the electoral college map, how does it add up right now? >> when you talk to the two campaigns, it's as if even though it's one country, they live in parallel universes. both saying they will win tomorrow. the president is ahead in most of the key battleground...
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i have been to nevada multiteletimes and colorado. i forget all the other places. went to iowa last week. we have gotten around. we are happy to do t. there is a lot of excitement out there. of course, all over florida in the last week with governor romney. everywhere we go, you can see the excitement. it's real, it's palpable. we can sense. it we are really excited about it. >> greta: this is a big country. i am curious, as you went to the states, was it usually the same issue -- can you tell -- because usually the rallies are speaking to the group. they are not having a profound amount of intersection because you are busy going somewhere else. but is it the same? >> you do. if you work the rope line or you get to talk to people on the ground, they will tell you, there are concerns about the economy and jobs, that's very real. there is a profound sense that the election is a choice between two very different types of people. where the government will increasingly become more dominant or a new future, where we reim-- embrace the free enterprise system and allow the
i have been to nevada multiteletimes and colorado. i forget all the other places. went to iowa last week. we have gotten around. we are happy to do t. there is a lot of excitement out there. of course, all over florida in the last week with governor romney. everywhere we go, you can see the excitement. it's real, it's palpable. we can sense. it we are really excited about it. >> greta: this is a big country. i am curious, as you went to the states, was it usually the same issue -- can you...
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silicone valley a lot of countries have moved to nevada and texas, including start up companies that can't start up. bigger companies have much easier time in california but california is in billions of collars of debt because of high taxes and regulations. >> laura, there is more millionaires in california than all the red states combined. this is jmpleghts money doesn't buy you brains. it buys you nice houses in brethrenwood. >> higher revenue. making key investments. >> tell france and portugal and spain that. france is raising the tax rate to 90%. in france businesses are leaving france. >> stop changing, nobody is talking 90%. you always use that number it's totally bogus. we are talking about going back to clinton. >> laura: it's a job killer. it's going to kill more jobs. >> 24 million. >> laura: a congressman who turned on his party now has some provocative thoughts on republicans and the african-american vote. he will be here to explain and then preelection lay off threats are now a post election reality. we have a disturbing report. up from currency trading for a few to a c
silicone valley a lot of countries have moved to nevada and texas, including start up companies that can't start up. bigger companies have much easier time in california but california is in billions of collars of debt because of high taxes and regulations. >> laura, there is more millionaires in california than all the red states combined. this is jmpleghts money doesn't buy you brains. it buys you nice houses in brethrenwood. >> higher revenue. making key investments. >>...
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they carry nevada. other than that i don't see him winning any of these states. >> we have 20 seconds left under your scenario governor romney can lose ohio and you will wind. 325. >>> ohio was over rated. pennsylvania, questions questions and a good shot footbal >>> we will be watching. i have this tape. like i sayou are either really smart. you told me accountable. >> florida congressman allen pest, 29 electoral votes. not atornadoing dick morris is here and joe tripypypypypy ♪ chances are, you're not made of money, so don't overpay for motorcycle insurance. geico, see how much you could save. a oo polling has president obama over romney. this will be a win score of governor romney he says. >> if somebody is really wrong and somebody is going to look like a genius on tuesday, and i think part of what is happening here and you see it in the two polls you talked about p-it is two different -- both campaigns have two different models turnout models they are looking at. that's why i agree. somebody is g
they carry nevada. other than that i don't see him winning any of these states. >> we have 20 seconds left under your scenario governor romney can lose ohio and you will wind. 325. >>> ohio was over rated. pennsylvania, questions questions and a good shot footbal >>> we will be watching. i have this tape. like i sayou are either really smart. you told me accountable. >> florida congressman allen pest, 29 electoral votes. not atornadoing dick morris is here and joe...
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feds, they have done more to pump more money, more stimulus into the economy in hard-hit states like nevada, florida, ohio, colorado, any institution. they may be more important than the fed. we have to look at money and politics. >> this is interesting. the comments from all four speakers. i want to ask about a demographic group that none of you touched on. one out of every five americans has a disability. 51% of likely voters said they have a family member with a disability. at the national press club when there was an opportunity for the romney campaign and the obama campaign to send someone to speak about disability issues, attend and chose not to issue a position paper on disabilities. i wanted to ask why, given that one out of five americans has a disability, 51% of american likely voters has a family process? >> the short answer is in an election that revolving around the role of government, if your you want to get into a conversation about how do you assist people with disabilities role for government which might mean a program, which might mean money. it is not a conversation you w
feds, they have done more to pump more money, more stimulus into the economy in hard-hit states like nevada, florida, ohio, colorado, any institution. they may be more important than the fed. we have to look at money and politics. >> this is interesting. the comments from all four speakers. i want to ask about a demographic group that none of you touched on. one out of every five americans has a disability. 51% of likely voters said they have a family member with a disability. at the...
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we hope to get on john raulson out of nevada. this is interesting for many reasons, and i wanted to talk specific alally about nevada wh the foreclosures are high and unemployment rate is high. latinos in that state could help president obama win it in a significant way. let's see what we see in regarding the white vote and in a key state like nevada the latino vote being the difference. >> if everybody recalls the election of 2010, when reid was running against sharon inkeningle, all the polls showed engel was ahead by significant margins. what happened was at the end of the day when you looked at the scorecard, latinos went in favor to harry reid 9-10. that was because sharon engel's campaign was so egregious when it came to the latino votes. pollsters feel that la tyne notices won't turn out, and a lot of working class latinos are cell phones. this is the dreary part of polling. you often miss a big swath of potential when it comes to voting to the new voter, which is not only latinos but women and youth. what we're going to s
we hope to get on john raulson out of nevada. this is interesting for many reasons, and i wanted to talk specific alally about nevada wh the foreclosures are high and unemployment rate is high. latinos in that state could help president obama win it in a significant way. let's see what we see in regarding the white vote and in a key state like nevada the latino vote being the difference. >> if everybody recalls the election of 2010, when reid was running against sharon inkeningle, all the...
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if i give him nevada, iowa and wisconsin, 259/206. what does governor romney have to do? he must win the state of florida. tonight the democrats say we think we're still in play. give them truth sear rum, which ones are you likely to lose, they put florida on the list. the obama operation says watch us turn out the vote tomorrow. let's assume it stays with its normal republican dna, we'll keep it there. virginia is a must win for governor romney. we are wired on the ground, we can do it, the key will be the northern virginia suburbs. for the sake of argument, i know democrats are getting mad at me, i'm going to give it to governor romney. if we do that, this could be a decisive state. for the sake of argument, the obama campaign says we have this state. watch what happens tomorrow, especially in evangelical areas. i'm going to this hypothetical to show you how close this would be. it would leave us only ohio and new hampshire. you only get 4 in new hampshire, 18 in ohio. under any scenario, i could switch a few of these in plausible ways. under any scenario, this becomes
if i give him nevada, iowa and wisconsin, 259/206. what does governor romney have to do? he must win the state of florida. tonight the democrats say we think we're still in play. give them truth sear rum, which ones are you likely to lose, they put florida on the list. the obama operation says watch us turn out the vote tomorrow. let's assume it stays with its normal republican dna, we'll keep it there. virginia is a must win for governor romney. we are wired on the ground, we can do it, the...
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nevada, all the polls have the president lead bug it is close. same thing in wisconsin. president is ahead in all the polls except rasmussen, who has the race tied at 49. florida, all the policy out this week has obama leading romney, but very close. and in the commonwealth, up 5 points but cbs has the president up by two. north carolina, rasmussen has romney up by 6 and survey usa has the governor leading by 5. new hampshire, new england college has obama up by 6 over mitt romney. last week rasmussen had romney up by 2. and nbc has the president up by 6 points. got all that? joining us now from boston, david. he directs polling. >> he want to run it down from your point of view. you have canvassed the whole country, know what's going on. ohio, how do you see it? >> i see it really close. if you look at the last four polls, it's one point. 1 through 8 the poll was average four to five points. what we look at is the head-to-head number. the last three consecutive polls, excluding the two you mentioned were at 48. that's a sign of vulnerability. obviously you have seven ca
nevada, all the polls have the president lead bug it is close. same thing in wisconsin. president is ahead in all the polls except rasmussen, who has the race tied at 49. florida, all the policy out this week has obama leading romney, but very close. and in the commonwealth, up 5 points but cbs has the president up by two. north carolina, rasmussen has romney up by 6 and survey usa has the governor leading by 5. new hampshire, new england college has obama up by 6 over mitt romney. last week...
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guest: i would focus on nevada. in ohio, the thing to watch is how big the margin is coming out of cincinnati. host: here is the final question of the morning. will we know who was the next president on november 6 for november 7? guest: much more doubtful today that it was one week ago. a lot depends on what happens in ohio and with the provisional ballots. we will have to watch and see. the provisional ballots are more than the margin in ohio. we could be sitting here the day after or weeks after wondering who won the election. host: gentlemen, thank you. >> michele bachmann faces off against jim graves in the final debate in minnesota. rep michelle bachmann is in her third time -- third term and is a candidate for the 2012 election. jim graves has a background in business and is the founder and former ceo of the american hotel franchise. this debate was held in st. paul, minn., and is about all the minutes. ♪ [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite cor
guest: i would focus on nevada. in ohio, the thing to watch is how big the margin is coming out of cincinnati. host: here is the final question of the morning. will we know who was the next president on november 6 for november 7? guest: much more doubtful today that it was one week ago. a lot depends on what happens in ohio and with the provisional ballots. we will have to watch and see. the provisional ballots are more than the margin in ohio. we could be sitting here the day after or weeks...
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i will give you nevada as your best of the battleground states. what's your worst? what are you most worried about? >> well, you know, john, somebody was quoted yesterday as saying that's like choosing between our children. >> so choose. >> we are tied or -- i'm not going to do that. we're tied or ahead in every single battleground state. certainly some of them are tighter than others. north carolina is extremely tight. but we're pleased with where we are going into election day. we have advantage on the early vote. we've done significant work with voter registration in that state. we're close in florida. again, significant advantage on early vote. and done a lot of work on voter registration. >> can i run that through the universal political translator and say you're most worried about north carolina and florida? >> those are your words. >> let me bring in david gergen. he's also got a question. >> stephanie, good to see you. tell us what three things we should be looking for tomorrow night as a sense of which way it's going. what are you going to be looking for? >
i will give you nevada as your best of the battleground states. what's your worst? what are you most worried about? >> well, you know, john, somebody was quoted yesterday as saying that's like choosing between our children. >> so choose. >> we are tied or -- i'm not going to do that. we're tied or ahead in every single battleground state. certainly some of them are tighter than others. north carolina is extremely tight. but we're pleased with where we are going into election...
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i know it takes iowa and nevada. here it is. there it is. >> iowa, nevada have to get in there and we've got five more somewhere else. it's the swap of colorado. is it that? well. >> where do you have new hampshire? i can't see from here? >> we'll have to figure it out. it was off. this is what happens when we're missing it. the math is there. >> we'll take a break, we know it's there, the math is there. 269/269s. >> that's a nightmare. >> some say we'll be spending a lot of good times. >> here it is. that's what we're missing here. new hampshire over to there. >> new hampshire. >> and then we have it. >> thank you so much, chuck. >> bye now. >> chuck and the magic map. up next, mayor antonio villaraigosa in florida today, and house majority leader eric cantor from virginia, live from democracy plaza only here on msnbc. [ female announcer ] the humana walmart-preferred rx plan p-d-p gives you a low national plan premium... so you can focus on what really matters. call humana at 1-800-808-4003. colin powell: yes. when he took ove
i know it takes iowa and nevada. here it is. there it is. >> iowa, nevada have to get in there and we've got five more somewhere else. it's the swap of colorado. is it that? well. >> where do you have new hampshire? i can't see from here? >> we'll have to figure it out. it was off. this is what happens when we're missing it. the math is there. >> we'll take a break, we know it's there, the math is there. 269/269s. >> that's a nightmare. >> some say we'll be...
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. >> yeah, nevada counts. we'll see. give me shameless plugs. >> i should promote my new website. my daughter was picked this week to be on the first ever girls flag football team for her high school. >> nice. everything is cooler in nevada. >> dan bolt's ebook out today. >> our paper has a beautiful new look. >> a great little piece up on therue.com about the election. check it out. >> i will see you from asia. i'm headed for 15 hours on a plane ride. we'll see you right back here, somebody will tomorrow. chris jansing is next. bye-bye. u 1% cash back on all purchases, plus a 50% annual bonus. and everyone...but her likes 50% more cash. but i'm upping my game. do you want a candy cane? yes! do you want the puppy? yes! do you want a tricycle? yes! do you want 50 percent more cash? no! ♪ festive. [ male announcer ] the capital one cash rewards card gives you 1% cash back on every purchase plus a 50% annual bonus on the cash you earn. it's the card for people who like more cash. what's in your wallet? it's the card for people who like more cash. those little things for you, life's
. >> yeah, nevada counts. we'll see. give me shameless plugs. >> i should promote my new website. my daughter was picked this week to be on the first ever girls flag football team for her high school. >> nice. everything is cooler in nevada. >> dan bolt's ebook out today. >> our paper has a beautiful new look. >> a great little piece up on therue.com about the election. check it out. >> i will see you from asia. i'm headed for 15 hours on a plane ride....
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we think we have a good shot at virginia, new hampshire, new mexico, nevada. that's the pathway to victory for john mccain. >> see how all those states were blue? his confident predictions that john mccain was going to win all those states in 2008 were wrong in every single instance. they lost every single one of those states. even though it seemed like he was going to win all of those states the day before the election. he didn't say like he felt they were going to win. he said they have the polling data that showed they were going to win and they did not win in any of those states. this is just part of the way the game is played. it's just bluffing. and that is important context for understanding what's going on in the last four days of the campaign. there are patterns to how presidential elections end. some of the same stuff happens every four years. specifically, in 1992, the republican candidate was poppy bush. he went and campaigned in pennsylvania. and then the next day, he lost pennsylvania. the next election, 1996, bob dole. right before the election,
we think we have a good shot at virginia, new hampshire, new mexico, nevada. that's the pathway to victory for john mccain. >> see how all those states were blue? his confident predictions that john mccain was going to win all those states in 2008 were wrong in every single instance. they lost every single one of those states. even though it seemed like he was going to win all of those states the day before the election. he didn't say like he felt they were going to win. he said they have...
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maybe snow in hamilton and maybe snow on diablo and certainlily low snow levels in sierra nevada. dropping down to 3000 feet. this is unusual to be this warm fast. forecast highs, you see 70s, 73 in fairfield and 73 in walnut creek. >>> in the past 20 minutes, polls closed in two swing states, florida and new hampshire. more election results are coming into the ktvu newsroom, we will have the latest. >> the polls have closed in ohio, probably the most closely watched, no republican has ever won the presidency without taking ohio. here are the current numbers with one percent of the precincts reporting. president obama up 58 to 42% over mitt romney. >> now in the midst of the evening commute and people heading to the polls after work. let's go to john sacka. you are watching the activity at a precinct, right? >> reporter: yes, the traffic here has definitely picked up in the last hour as people have gotten off of work and come down to vote. you can see everybody around here. we are at the salvation army in clayton. there are three different voting precincts in operation. people hav
maybe snow in hamilton and maybe snow on diablo and certainlily low snow levels in sierra nevada. dropping down to 3000 feet. this is unusual to be this warm fast. forecast highs, you see 70s, 73 in fairfield and 73 in walnut creek. >>> in the past 20 minutes, polls closed in two swing states, florida and new hampshire. more election results are coming into the ktvu newsroom, we will have the latest. >> the polls have closed in ohio, probably the most closely watched, no...
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what do you make of colorado, nevada, iowa, new hampshire? >> well, look, the easiest way to look at this is even if you look at the real clear politics average which includes a lot of the goofy quinnipiac poles and marist polls. the republicans are winning, indiana,, north carolina, virginia and florida. in fact, if you take a look at that all of the mccain states plus 30s that they are waning and i do think they are going to win, republicans are going to win all four of these states. is they are at 248. then you look at ohio which i think the early vote numbers are clear indication of of what is going to happen in ohio. that s another 18 electoral votes. and then colorado which is, you know, is in the rcp average just under water, 9/10 of a percent. but that is largely because of a couple of outliar polls that have huge numbers more democrats than republicans. i think we are going to win colorado and that gets you 275. and we are going to pick up out of ohio, new hampshire, nevada or minnesota, pennsylvania or wisconsin we are going to pick
what do you make of colorado, nevada, iowa, new hampshire? >> well, look, the easiest way to look at this is even if you look at the real clear politics average which includes a lot of the goofy quinnipiac poles and marist polls. the republicans are winning, indiana,, north carolina, virginia and florida. in fact, if you take a look at that all of the mccain states plus 30s that they are waning and i do think they are going to win, republicans are going to win all four of these states. is...
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i don't think iowa and nevada will be romney. >> it's drawing into an inside strait. the first card was the florida card. the assumption since 2000 was you have to win florida. california, new york are no longer in play. for republicans you have to win texas and florida to move forward. >> a call to make here. the state of massachusetts the senate race much talked about for months on end in massachusetts, the first woman his to win an office of t kind in the state of massachusetts and "fox news" projects it is a done deal. this is a gain for the democrats and a loss for the republicans. elizabeth warren has beaten scott brown knocks news state of for the massachusetts. a democratic strategist, how did this happen. >> there was no outside money and an $80 million race. she became a good candidate r time. she helped tremendously was helped by the convention in charlotte as many democrats were and the debates. scott brown hurt himself badly in the debates. he came off as someone they didn't recognize. angry and defensive. huge win for massachusetts. barnd.elloo i'm jeff
i don't think iowa and nevada will be romney. >> it's drawing into an inside strait. the first card was the florida card. the assumption since 2000 was you have to win florida. california, new york are no longer in play. for republicans you have to win texas and florida to move forward. >> a call to make here. the state of massachusetts the senate race much talked about for months on end in massachusetts, the first woman his to win an office of t kind in the state of massachusetts...
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senate and fell short with candidates in colorado, chris o'donnell in delaware and sharon angle in nevada. then this year, look, if you didn't have the anomalies in missouri and indiana and candidates felt the need to explain their positions on rape and never a good plan in politics, much less just in social conversation -- >> in life. >> in life, yeah. i mean, but even if you tossed those out you are talking about a senate to otherwise be exactly what it was the day before. >> remarkable. >> i think republicans fall in to a trap looking at when's going on in the senate and don't sense a problem in terms of not just messaging but candidate selection. there's a problem of washington republicans in that they have lost the ability to push for the candidates they want in states. there's a backlash against that and need to find a way to connect with their grassroots and find candidates acceptable to the grass roots and competitive. >> absolutely. >> quickly, one thing on the martinez, rubio thing, you're right but it's more than a couple people on the stage and having the policies that want to
senate and fell short with candidates in colorado, chris o'donnell in delaware and sharon angle in nevada. then this year, look, if you didn't have the anomalies in missouri and indiana and candidates felt the need to explain their positions on rape and never a good plan in politics, much less just in social conversation -- >> in life. >> in life, yeah. i mean, but even if you tossed those out you are talking about a senate to otherwise be exactly what it was the day before....
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tony is our next caller in las vegas, nevada. caller: hi. on the fiscal cliff, this has been the unspoken agenda of the democratic party for a long time. they want the fiscal cliff. it does essentially what they wanted to do, which is to raise taxes and impose a bunch of reductions in military spending. we all know that raising taxes on the rich will not raise enough money to substitute for a dollar rates on middle-class. -- raise. no tax on the super rich would ever recover enough money to even begin averting the financial clip. no reduction in foreign aid -- it is just less than 1% of the federal budget -- can address the fiscal cliff. we need to begin talking exactly the opposite of the way the federal government has worked so far. simply by starting with a budget on what we expect the income-tax to be instead of starting with what we would like to spend. that is backwards. you have to start with what you expect your income to be. host: here is what charlotte says on facebook. she says the tax rates are not creating any jobs, so stop talk
tony is our next caller in las vegas, nevada. caller: hi. on the fiscal cliff, this has been the unspoken agenda of the democratic party for a long time. they want the fiscal cliff. it does essentially what they wanted to do, which is to raise taxes and impose a bunch of reductions in military spending. we all know that raising taxes on the rich will not raise enough money to substitute for a dollar rates on middle-class. -- raise. no tax on the super rich would ever recover enough money to...
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poll numbers we've been seeing, we're going to see that latinos are going to hold florida, virginia, nevada and colorado. what we are seeing is very high support for the president. so what we are seeing is about 74% of latinos saying they are either certain to or very likely to vote for the president and the worst case scenario, 64% of latinos are saying they are certain to vote for the president. is so with that, you are going to secure those states and don't forget, there is still a smattering of latinos in north carolina, wisconsin and iowa. 3%, 4%, but when it is so close, that 3% of mobilized latino turnout is going to make the difference. >> on, let's talk about pennsylvania because when we bring up close, pennsylvania right now, 47 to 47 in a state that normally, the president would have a comfortable lead in. stephanie cutter said on "morning joe" today that it's not realistic that governor romney should make a play for pennsylvania or even think about winning pennsylvania. what's your reaction to that? >> i'm glad they're giving governor romney advice because if he follows the advi
poll numbers we've been seeing, we're going to see that latinos are going to hold florida, virginia, nevada and colorado. what we are seeing is very high support for the president. so what we are seeing is about 74% of latinos saying they are either certain to or very likely to vote for the president and the worst case scenario, 64% of latinos are saying they are certain to vote for the president. is so with that, you are going to secure those states and don't forget, there is still a...
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ogle, nevada, ohio, like a couple percentage points that makes a difference. the people that are less likely voters but there are always moments and there are moments during the campaign where you think -- >> how bad after that first debate? >> i'm surprised that's what you brought up. [laughter] >> the first debate as someone that's worked on and off for about six years and i was there the whole time from beginning to end in 2007, 2008 the first was very important for us and it's probably a defining point for us and it reminded a lot of loss of when we lost the new hampshire primary in 2008. when you kind of thing we are in a good place and then you think hold on. the first debate going into, you don't know how you are going to do. no one knows. you can talk to everyone who's been a part of its but we didn't know how it was going to go. afterwards we didn't actually think it was as bad as everybody else did and we all went out on tv and talk to everybody in the was only until a day or so later. >> but you had seen twitter which was melting. >> twitter was mel
ogle, nevada, ohio, like a couple percentage points that makes a difference. the people that are less likely voters but there are always moments and there are moments during the campaign where you think -- >> how bad after that first debate? >> i'm surprised that's what you brought up. [laughter] >> the first debate as someone that's worked on and off for about six years and i was there the whole time from beginning to end in 2007, 2008 the first was very important for us and...